National Credit Regulator v Nedbank Ltd and Others (19638/2008) [2009] ZAGPPHC 377 (20 November 2009)
- Citation
- [2009] ZAGPPHC 377
- Status
- Order
- Jurisdiction
- South Africa
- Court
- North Gauteng High Court, Pretoria
- Panel
- B R Du Plessis
- Case number
- 19638/2008
More details
- Court
- North Gauteng High Court, Pretoria
- Panel
- B R Du Plessis
- Case number
- 19638/2008
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01
Holding and result
The court found that paragraph 11 of its previous order was granted in the precise terms requested by the applicant and does not constitute an error. The alleged ambiguity raised by the second respondent does not justify amendment by this court, especially as the order is currently subject to appeal before the Supreme Court of Appeal. The court held that any amendment to the order should be determined by the appellate court, not by the court of first instance. Accordingly, the application to amend the order was dismissed.
Court disposition
Application to amend the court's order is dismissed.
Orders
- The application to amend paragraph 11 of the court's order is dismissed.
02
Material facts
Parties
National Credit Regulator
Applicant Counsel: Adv. C.D.A Loxton SC; Adv. M A ChohanNedbank Limited
Respondent Counsel: Adv. D.E. Van Loggerenberg SCFirstRand Bank Limited
Respondent Counsel: Adv. G. Farter SC; Adv. N KonstantinidesStandard Bank of South Africa Limited
Respondent Counsel: Adv. M O Kuper SC; Adv. J M.A. CaneABSA Bank Limited
Respondent Counsel: Adv. G H MeyerCredit Providers Association
RespondentFurniture Traders Association
RespondentRetail Motor Industry
RespondentMinister of Justice and Constitutional Development
RespondentMinister of Trade and Industry
RespondentDebt Counsellors Association of South Africa
RespondentOnecor (Proprietary) Limited
Respondent Counsel: Adv. P.F Louw SC; Adv. S GouwsJohan Erik Juselius
Respondent Counsel: Adv. KJ. Kemp SC03
Procedural history
Posture
Leave to Appeal / Application to Amend Court Order During Leave to Appeal
04
Questions and positions
Legal issues
- 01
Whether paragraph 11 of the court's order should be amended to include the words 'whilst the consumer remains in default'.
- 02
Whether the court has the power to amend its order due to alleged ambiguity while the matter is under appeal.
Party arguments
- Applicant
- The applicant did not seek any amendment to paragraph 11 and maintains that the order was granted exactly as requested in the main application. The applicant contends that there is no error or ambiguity in the order as it stands.
- Respondent
- The second respondent, FirstRand Bank Limited, argued that the current wording of paragraph 11 may create practical difficulties in interpretation and sought to amend the order by adding 'whilst the consumer remains in default'. No other party raised similar concerns.
05
Court’s reasoning
Legal principles
- 01
General principles of South African civil procedure
A court may amend its order if there is an ambiguity or error, but where the order is subject to appeal, such amendment should be left to the appellate court.
- 02
General principles of South African civil procedure
An order granted in the exact terms sought by the applicant is not the result of an error and does not warrant amendment unless ambiguity is proven.
06
Ratio, limits and disposition
Ratio decidendi
The court found that paragraph 11 of its previous order was granted in the precise terms requested by the applicant and does not constitute an error. The alleged ambiguity raised by the second respondent does not justify amendment by this court, especially as the order is currently subject to appeal before the Supreme Court of Appeal. The court held that any amendment to the order should be determined by the appellate court, not by the court of first instance. Accordingly, the application to amend the order was dismissed.
Obiter and limits
- No other party besides the second respondent raised concerns regarding the interpretation of paragraph 11.
- The practical difficulties alleged by the second respondent do not amount to a legal ambiguity warranting amendment by this court.
Court disposition
Application to amend the court's order is dismissed.
- The application to amend paragraph 11 of the court's order is dismissed.
Source and reliance status
North Gauteng High Court, Pretoria
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Judgment text
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North Gauteng High Court, Pretoria
Order
IN THE NORTH GAUTENG HIGH COURT, PRETORIA
(REPUBLIC OF SOUTH AFRICA)
DATE: 20 NOVEMBER 2009
NOT
REPORTABLE
NOT
OF INTEREST TO TOHER JUDGES
CASE NUMBER: 19638/2008
In the matter between:
THE
NATIONAL CREDIT
REGULATOR APPLICANT
And
NEDBANK
LIMITED
FIRST
RESPONDENT
FIRSTRAND
BANK LIMITED
SECOND
RESPONDENT
STANDARD
BANK OF SOUTH AFRICA LIMITED THIRD
RESPONDENT
ABSA
BANK LIMITED
FOURTH
RESPONDENT
THE
CREDIT PROVIDERS ASSOCIATION
FIFTH
RESPONDENT
THE
FURNITURE TRADERS ASSOCIATION
SIXTH
RESPONDENT
RETAIL
MOTOR INDUSTRY
SEVENTH
RESPONDENT
THE
MINSITER OF JUSTICE AND
EIGHTH
RESPONDENT
CONSITUTIONAL
DEVELOPMENT
THE
MINSITER OF TRADE AND INDUSTRY
NINTH
RESPONDENT
THE
DEBT COUSELLORS ACCOCAITION
TENTH
RESPONDENT
OF
SOUTH AFRICA
ONECOR PROPRIETARY) LIMITED
ELEVENTH
RESPONDENT
JUSELIUS.
JOHAN ERIK
TWELVE
RESPONDENT
Du Plossls, J:
In the course of the application for leave to appeal the second respondent in the main application (First Rand Bank Limited) sought
an order to amend paragraph 11 of this court's order by adding thereto the words “whilst the consumer remains In default”.
The contention is that the order as It stands creates or might create practical difficulties with its interpretation. No other party raised the same or a similar problem.
Paragraph 11 was granted exactly in the terms that the applicant in the main application sought. Consequently, the order as it stands is not the result of an error. To the extent that this court might have the power to amend the order by reason of an ambiguity, the order is the subject of an appeal to the Supreme Court of Appeal. In my view the question as to whether the order should be amended should be left to that court.
The application to amend this court's order is dismissed.
______
B
R DU PLESSIS
JUDGE
OF THE HIGH COURT
On behalf of the Applicant: Mothle
Jooma Sabdia Inc
Floor, West Wing
Duncan Manor
Cnr. Duncan & Brooks Street
BROOKLYN
PRETORIA
P O Box 11147 HatfieW 0023
Adv. C.D.A LOXTONSC
Adv M A Chohan
On behalf of the First to Sixth
Respondents: Werksmans
Inc.
C/O Edelstein Bosman
220 Lange Street
Nieuw Muckleneuck
Adv M O Kuper SC J
Adv J M.A. Cane
On behalf of the first
Respondent: Adv.
D.E. Van Loggerenberg SC
Respondents: Werksmans
Inc.
On Behalf of the
Second Respondents: Van
Hulsteyns Attorneys
C/O Savage Jooste and Adams
141 Boshoff Street
Nieuw Mucklenuek
Adv. G. Farter (SC)
Adv. N Konstantinides
On behalf of the
Fourth Respondent: Jay
Motohbi Inc.
C/O Savage Jooste and Acams
Nieuw Mucfcleneucfc
Adv. G H Meyer
On behalf of the Fifth and
Sixth Respondent: Routiedge
Modisa
C/0 Adams & Adams
1140 Prospect Street Hatfield
Pretoria
On behalf of the Eighth and
Ninth Respondents: The
State Attorney
8th Floor, Bothongo Heights
167 Andres Street
Eleventh Respondent: Coombe
& Associates
Cnr. Watloo & Fiamink Streets
Silverton
Adv. P.F Louw SC
Adv S Gouws
Twelfth Respondent: Booysens
& CO Inc.
C/O Velile Tinto & Assoc. Inc
Tinto House
Cnr Hans Sirijdom & Disselboom
Wapadrand
Adv KJ. Kemp SC J
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